REVEREND DEAN: (00:00)
Well, friends, it's, uh, another treat today, uh, to talk to, uh, well, someone who will talk to me. It seems the, the fact that I do a drug related show keeps a lot of people from coming on the program, but this gentleman's certainly not afraid. Uh, he's based up in, uh, I think Vancouver, Canada and, and maybe across the country too. But, uh, he's, uh, well known up there for his activism, for being one of the best reformers. There is a man for, um, plowing the field or knocking, knocking things out of his way to make things happen. Uh, perhaps the legalize legalizing this legalize in a nation of Canada. Uh, we have with us today, Mr. Dana Larson. Hello, Dana.

DANA LARSEN: (00:43)
Hey. Hello. Thanks for having me today.

REVEREND DEAN: (00:45)
Well, thank you, sir, for, for being with us and for all the work you do. It's, it's, um, I envy you. Uh, it's what I wish I could do here in the United States, but I think if I had taken the same steps you have, I would be in a cage of some kind at this moment because you have blazed some trails and, uh, I'm sure the whole world thanks you for making that progress.

DANA LARSEN: (01:06)
Well, I mean, it's, uh, it's a bit easier to do what I do here in Vancouver than many parts of the world. It's still a big challenge here as well. But, uh, we do have a, a, a situation here in Vancouver that lets, uh, me, uh, get away with some stuff that maybe would be a little more difficult in other jurisdictions,

REVEREND DEAN: (01:23)
Especially in Texas. But yeah, you're right. Um, Dana, I I wanna do kind of a two parter the day. I want to talk about your, your activism, your work with, uh, um, legalizing drugs, but then I want to take a, a dip into the, uh, Trump swimming pool or cesspool perhaps. Um, but let's, let's get started with, let, let's talk about first, who is Dana Larson? What are the, uh, jobs and, uh, hats you wear? What are you up to these days?

DANA LARSEN: (01:53)
Uh, well, I'm a flawed human being like anybody else, but, uh, uh, I mean, my, my work, uh, these days I've always got a lot of projects going on. I've been, uh, involved in and, and fighting for drug policy reform and legalization, and no more drug war for pretty much all of my adult life since I started around the age of 18, and I'm in my fifties now. Um, uh, but these days I run a few different businesses. I run the medicinal mushroom dispensary, which, uh, is kind of using the same tactics as the medicinal cannabis dispensaries, which I also founded and still operate, but the medicinal mushroom dispensary. We have three locations now in Vancouver, and we're more than just, uh, mushrooms, but we do sell like 20 different kinds of psychedelic mushrooms, the golden teacher and the penis envy, and the blue meanie, and the this and that, capsules and, and chocolates and dried mushrooms.

DANA LARSEN: (02:47)
And we also sell other psychedelics like LSD, uh, DMT, a few different kinds of DMT. Uh, we sell peyote. We sell ream, uh, which isn't a psychedelic, but it's a very useful herd that some of your viewers might be aware of. Uh, we sell coco leaf when we can get it, and I'm chewing a little coco leaf now. Uh, and we sell other interesting, you know, psychedelics and substances there too. I think we're the only shop in the world where any adult can walk in and buy not only mushrooms, but all these other psychedelics as well. There's a few other mushroom shops in, in Vancouver and around the world, and, but there's no other shops like ours as far as I know of. I also operate the last two old school unlicensed cannabis dispensaries in Vancouver. Uh, before legalization, there was over a hundred of these shops in Vancouver selling cannabis, selling cannabis as a medicinal item.

DANA LARSEN: (03:39)
Uh, pre legalization. There was a lot of court cases allowing us to operate. Those places are all gone now except for mine. So I've got the last unlicensed old school legacy, truly medicinal cannabis dispensaries in the city. And I also run a project called Get Your Drugs Tested and Get Your Drugs Tested. We started in 2019. It's grown to become the world's, uh, biggest and busiest free street drug analysis center. So anybody can come in with a sample of any kind of street drug they might have, or other substances too, but mainly street drugs. And we can analyze it for them in a few minutes usually and tell them what's in it and, uh, you know, help them make an informed decision about what they put into their bodies. We've analyzed over 80,000 samples since we started, and that we're busier than ever. So those, I do some other things as well, but those are my main, my main three projects. The, the mushroom dispensary and the cannabis dispensary, and they get your drugs tested.

REVEREND DEAN: (04:27)
Well, that, those are wonderful endeavors. Um, saving lives and saving, uh, I don't know, possible, uh, complications for, uh, folks in this unregulated world here in the United States. They talk so much about drug control, when the truth be told, there is no drug control in these United States. It's all people control. It's, it's, uh, just, uh, such a facade. Um, well, uh, thank you for that. Now, I, I want to maybe back up a little bit, talk about the mushrooms. You mentioned several types there, and, uh, I've only, you know, done the type, uh, well, the, the cow pie, you know, that type I, that's psilocybin, I guess, uh, that you, that grows out of the cow dookie and, um, that's the only type I've ever had. And what is the nature of some of these other strains or types you, you were talking about there? What, what do they do?

DANA LARSEN: (05:23)
So it's like cannabis where they're all similar, all cannabis strains are similar to each other. They all have a similar effect, but also you've got sativa and indica and different strains with different blends of cannabinoids that will have varying effects within the spectrum of what it's like to use cannabis. So mushrooms are the same way. These are all psilocybe mushrooms. Psilocybe is like the THC of mushrooms, and that is the main chemical. It's the one everybody knows, but it's not the only one. And there's a bunch of other alkaloids in there with psychoactive effects as well. Just like with cannabis, you've got many more, al many more chemicals than just THC, and it's the mix of these chemicals and their ratios that provides the varying effects. And so this, the, the just strain names, right? They're all psic side mushrooms, but there's different strain names.

DANA LARSEN: (06:07)
And the most popular one we have is called Golden Teacher. And Golden Teacher is kind of a, a gentle mid potency mushroom strain. It's very common for therapeutic use. If you're looking for, to uncover something about yourself or you wanna deal with a situation or you're just a first timer on mushrooms and want something kind of friendly and gentle, we recommend Golden Teacher as a good starter kind of strain. There's another one called Penis Envy, like with, like, with cannabis, sometimes the names are kind of funny, but Penis Envy has that name because it makes giant, thick, huge stocks that look very phallic in their appearance, right? So that's why it's got the name Penis Envy. That's known as a very powerful strain. So if you're an experienced user or you're looking for a more psychedelic kind of experience, we would recommend Penis Envy. There's a lot of penis envy crosses and varieties that are blended together.

DANA LARSEN: (06:54)
You can cross mushroom strains. It's like you cross cannabis strains, uh, make different, different varieties, right? Um, and so there's a few other, there's, so we'll have 20 different kinds. You know, blue Meanie is a very popular strain. It's pretty psychedelic. There's one called Jedi Mind. We, we call it Jedi mind trick 'cause I don't really like having to say the word at work when people are coming in looking for, for therapeutic purposes, like with cannabis. Some of the strains may be very medicinal, but have kind of a funny or silly name, you know. Um, and then there's other, there's, so there's Jedi, uh, Jedi's, kind of a cosmic sort of a feeling. One, there are other, other species. We do carry poli mushrooms as well. Those are a whole different species. They still have the psilocybin as the active ingredient, but they're not, they're not like the psy family of mushrooms.

DANA LARSEN: (07:39)
Most of these mushrooms look kind of fat, stocky, kind of big mushrooms or whatever, even, or, or like solid. But the polis, they're like a little pin with a tiny little pinhead on it. They're very small, tiny little mushrooms. Very thin, very delicate. But those are much more potent. And really a much smaller dose will have a strong effect with most of the mushroom strains. A one gram dose is kind of the minimum psychedelic dose. So if you take less than a gram, you don't usually get that breakthrough kind of psychedelic experience. Usually one gram is a mild psychedelic dose. Two grams is kind of medium. Three or four grams is a pretty big psychedelic dose beyond four grams. People can do that, and they might have a good time, but those are like, considered kind of heroic, pretty large dosages, right? And then if you're looking for a microdose, that's usually about a hundred milligrams or so, so a 10th of a gram.

DANA LARSEN: (08:31)
And if you take a dose in that range, uh, you don't really get a very strong psychedelic effect, but you'll have a good mood, you'll feel better that day. If you're the kind of person who gets triggered or traumatized by things, you'll find that reduced a lot. Uh, you feel more connected. And if you've had the doses of larger amounts of mushrooms, and you've had some of these epiphanies and breakthroughs that can come where you get insight about yourself or other people, or you sort of have this kind of experience, sometimes that experience fades afterwards, and you, you get on a high place, oh, I understand, and I might feel really good. Then a few weeks later, you're back at your regular life, and these epiphanies and insights can fade away. I find the microdosing helps to maintain that. Well, having to go back to that very intense, powerful psychedelic feeling when you microdose, it just gives you a little tingle and a little twinkle, and you kind of get reminded, oh yeah, we're all connected, and, oh yeah, I don't have to worry about this.

DANA LARSEN: (09:22)
And those kind of things can kind of come back to you. So I find it's a good way to sort of reinforce the lessons and benefits of the bigger doses. That being said, I know many clients who never take a large psychedelic dose. They only microdose and they still often have very stunning life-changing results. They're able to eliminate their use of, uh, of, uh, antidepressants. Often they, they see life-changing effects. And this is without a psychedelic experience, it's a very low dose. When you microdose, you would take it not every day, but every two or three days of mushrooms, like all psychedelics, have a very strong tolerance effect. So if you take a mushroom dose today and you hit the same dose tomorrow, the one tomorrow will be about half as strong. If you do the same dosing on the next day, it'll have very little effect.

DANA LARSEN: (10:04)
And so you need to take a bigger dose every day until it gets impossible, or you just need to wait a day or two, and then you tolerance resets very quickly. So with microdosing, we really recommend doing it like once every two or three days. Depends on the person. You can do it, you know, a few days in a row if you want to, but that's kind of the protocol. And unlike antidepressants, which can be very addicting, where stopping, taking them can be very challenging. Once you're into it with mushroom, it's the opposite. You often feel after a few months of microdosing that you don't need it anymore, that you've, that you've got what you need out of it. You've had a permanent change, and you can stop doing it. Or you might just do it once in a while or seasonally, or when you feel like it occasionally. But unlike antidepressants, which you must take every single day, you've gotta have a, a specific thing. The mushrooms and other psychedelics are very forgiving, uh, in that kind of aspect where you don't need to take it every day to get a very positive and strong effect. And often you find once you've gone through the portal and you've had the experience you need, you stop taking them and you've got a permanent, permanent change, a permanent positive change in your life.

REVEREND DEAN: (11:07)
Thank you for that. Again, friends, that's Mr. Dana Larson. Um, uh, a guru. I gotta say, I don't know, man, I admire him so much up there in, in Canada running, uh, cannabis and, and mushroom stores. I, i, I wanna tie in a little bit with what you were saying there. I, back in my, uh, maybe late teens, I'm not sure, but my, through my twenties and into my thirties, I did, I guess 400, uh, hits of mo, mainly LSD. But I did get to do some peyote and mushrooms and stuff along the way. And I did develop, uh, a perspective that I, I, I learned this lesson, uh, tying in, I think with what you're saying, that I, I, yeah, I, I I, I appreciate life and living in and all this more, and I, I don't really need this, uh, at this time.

REVEREND DEAN: (11:54)
And maybe every 2, 3, 5 years now, I will do some mushrooms or some acid, uh, just as a refresher, which I think you kind of touched upon, um, because, um, well, I just felt like I needed a little, you know, boost. And, and I, the, the point I, I'd like to say is that it, the, I've never had the chance to do the microdosing, and I'm glad you explained it because that, that, uh, clarifies it for me a little bit better of how that actually works out. Um, now I, I do want to jump ship here and, and talk a little bit. We're, we're recording this on the day when President Trump decided he's not going to tariff the whole world anymore. He's going to, uh, um, you know, slow down, slow his role, so to speak, the stock market's climbing up, which thank God I needed it bad. I've, I've been hating on the man, I won't stop hating him, but, uh, on being such an idiot or thinking he's such a e economic, you know, uh, savant or whatever you'd call it. And, uh, how do people in Canada think of maybe of Trump? What do they think of the citizens? I feel like we got a bunch of idiots here. Your your, your response to that question, sir.

DANA LARSEN: (13:10)
Well, I go to a hockey game sometimes and watch the Vancouver Canucks play and the American National Anthem never used to get booed before, but it does now at every hockey game, everybody booze, the national anthem. And when the Canadian anthem has the word the true nor strong and free, everybody goes, free good. You know, so there's, so there's that aspect to it. And I think it's actually changed Canadian politics because, uh, it looked like we have an election coming up pretty soon. A few months ago it looked like the conservatives here were gonna dominate the election and really do very well. And they've been kind of doing the Canada first pro-Trump kind of part of their thing, which worked well for them before Trump was elected. But now Trump's in power and many of his supporters are not happy with what he's doing with the tariffs.

DANA LARSEN: (13:55)
And the conservatives have seen a plummeting result in, in, in Canada. And our liberal party, which looked like it was gonna be on its last legs, is now looking like they're gonna form government again when we have this election in a couple of weeks. So he's affected Canadian politics poorly for the right in Canada, who I think if the election had been held before the American election, the conservatives would've formed our government here. Um, I think a lot, I know a lot of Canadians who, who hate Trump. I know plenty of folks who like Trump and think he's very good. And those people, a lot of them are disappointed and confused about the tariffs and what's going on. Uh, to me, I feel like, I mean, it's stock market manipulation because if only Trump knows what he's gonna say and what's gonna happen to the stock market, there's an opportunity to make a lot of money there.

DANA LARSEN: (14:39)
It's not like Democrats haven't done some of that stuff as well. I'm sure Nancy Pelosi made a lot of money on stocks as well, but the Trump team has taken it to a whole other level, you know, instead of like trying to stop that and put rules in place that maybe stop people from doing this, they're just taking it to a whole other level when it comes to cashing in on the presidency and on on the money available out having that office, right? Yes, sir. Um, you know, back in the nineties, Trump said that the whole war on drugs was a fraud. That you can never win the war on drugs unless you legalize it. The only way to defeat the cartels was to legalize drugs and regulate them and control them, which I agree with, and I thought this is very accurate. But now that he's in politics, like every politician always has to get on the drug war train.

DANA LARSEN: (15:25)
And if you're an authoritarian want to be dictator like Trump, then the war on drugs gives you a great excuse to go after regular people, whoever your enemies are, and deport them and punish them and lock them up. And it's been used like that by many politicians over the decades. But Trump like other things, is gonna take it to a huge extreme. You know, he's supposed to be the guy who doesn't want war with anybody or wants to be peaceful, but he is talking about sending in drones and military and troops to fight Mexican drug cartels, which Mexico did. They brought in the military many years ago to fight their drug cartels. And the result was everything got worse. Because anybody who looks at it knows that the war on drugs itself is the real problem. The war on drugs is the cause of all the problems we call the drug problem.

DANA LARSEN: (16:09)
Fentanyl would not exist as a street drug without prohibition, right? Prohibition created fentanyl. More prohibition is not gonna get rid of fentanyl. It's gonna create other things as well. I've got your drugs tested. We see, we test a lot of samples. We see a lot of stuff. And there's other things because they're cracking down on fentanyl and on fentanyl precursors. Now we're seeing drugs called ezines. Ezines are opioids just as strong as fentanyl, but they don't respond to a fentanyl test strip 'cause it's a different chemical class. And so your fentanyl test strips and analysis, don't pick it up, but like fentanyl, very small quantities can be very potent and deadly. And it, this tine is not a naturally occurring thing. It's there because they're cracking down on fentanyl precursors. So you get something else. Um, if we had legalized opium and opium parlors back, they never gotten rid of that, then we never would've had problems with fentanyl.

DANA LARSEN: (16:59)
And the reality is most drug users seek out milder forms of the drugs that are available, and prohibition eliminates those. So it's much easier, for instance, to get a, a, a, uh, some crack or cocaine than it's to get a cup of coa leaf tea. It's much easier to get fentanyl or heroin than it is to get a cup of opium tea. Uh, during alcohol prohibition, it was much easier to get bathtub gin and pure alcohol and methyl alcohol that poisons and kills you than it was to get a glass of beer or a glass of wine. Uh, and even even cannabis prohibition, when cannabis is prohibited real tightly, you often end up with these synthetic cannabinoids sprayed onto plant matter spice and stuff like that, which are incredibly potent and can be quite damaging and harmful in ways that cannabis itself is not. And when these things are legal, people turn to the milder form.

DANA LARSEN: (17:47)
So now that when marijuana becomes more legally available, what's the most popular form? Is it potent edibles that knock you out and make you hallucinate? No, it's CBD has become the most popular growing area of cannabis, the non-psychoactive form with mushrooms. As mushrooms become more popular and more available and more legal, what's the biggest growth? Is it in the super high doses of mushrooms that are really powerfully psychedelic? No, it's microdosing. It's the really low dosing, mild forms that people like. Generally speaking, people want the milder forms. You can snort caffeine powder if you want to. You can buy pure caffeine powder, you can snort it if you want to. Who does that? Nobody, because coffee and energy drinks are widely available and the vast majority of caffeine users prefer them in that format. I believe that if cocaine and coa leaf were as legal, as caffeine and coffee beans, then snorting cocaine would be about as popular as snorting caffeine.

DANA LARSEN: (18:38)
And that cocaine users would get their caffeine and drinks and chewing gum and other forms like that. And the milder forms that'd give you an effect, but are a lot milder of an effect. 'cause that's what users typically want. And so the drug war creates this, this reverse parallel world where the most dangerous, concentrated, harmful forms become widely available and the safest, easiest to use in a responsible manner, forms become totally unavailable. And that's really the opposite of what a good drug policy should do when you think about it, right? Good drug policy should encourage users to use the milder forms, encourage them with regulation and, and promotion and social aspects to push people towards milder safer forms of use and away from harder forms of use. If you don't do that with criminalization and penalization, there's no law against snorting caffeine powder if you want to, we don't need to prohibit that to make it wildly unop unpopular.

DANA LARSEN: (19:30)
We just do that by making much safer forms and milder forms of caffeine available. So the drug wars created a reverse world, and Trump, I think is capitalizing on that using the, the chaos and the hate against drug users to support a war, which is ultimately nothing to do with drug users and really against all Americans and all free people in the world. And so the global war on drugs is very much a real war with real troops using real bullets, killing real people. It's not just a metaphor, it is a real war from Afghanistan to the cartels in Mexico, to the coca fields in South America, to the streets of our cities where overdose deaths and poisonings are prevalent to the gangs all around the world that control the drug trade. All of this is the cause by prohibition and drug war. And it will only get worse the more we tighten the screws on this.

DANA LARSEN: (20:21)
It seems counterintuitive at first when you think about it. You know, fentanyl's bad, so we gotta ban it. And I get that line of thought. But the result is you make everything worse by doing that. And the way to make it safer is to make the milder safer forms available, abandon prohibition, put in sensible regulation. But it's very difficult for any country to do that because of this global drug war. To belong to the world, community of nations, you've gotta buy into prohibition. It's very difficult for one country to go against that. And so that's a situation we find ourselves in. But here in Vancouver, we have an opportunity, I think, to do things that you can't do in a lot of other parts of the world. And maybe to set an example and show how, uh, this kind of work can be successful. You know, we've been operating for five years with our mushroom and psychedelic dispensary.

DANA LARSEN: (21:06)
And thank goodness, not once in those five years have I ever had anybody come and say to me, this person died. 'cause they bought mushrooms at your shop. This person decided to go for a swim when they were really high on mushrooms, they bought on your shop and they drowned. This person got into a car accident. You know, this never happened. In five years, we have sold to thousands and thousands of people. I'm not saying it never will happen. Somebody might choose to be irresponsible and use our things in, in an improper way and hurt themselves. But I gotta say in five years with thousands and thousands and thousands of clients, uh, in an environment where many naysayers would love to have a situation where somebody has a negative result from our products, so they can go see, told you. So that stuff's bad. It just never happened.

DANA LARSEN: (21:50)
As far as I know, that's never come back to us. And I think that shows the remarkable safety and benefit when it comes to psychedelics. And, you know, ultimately we need this kind of shop for all these substances as well. Same with cannabis legalization in Canada. There's been no real problems. None of the problems the naysayers said was gonna happen have happened. It's not perfect. But the problems have come about bad regulation, not about, you know, cannabis use causing problems, right? So that's the work I do. That's my perspective where I come from, the war, the war on drugs itself is the real problem. Something I'm sure you're very, uh, familiar with yourself, of course.

REVEREND DEAN: (22:21)
Yes, I am, sir. But no, no, thank you for that. And that's, that's well explained there. And yeah, it ties in with my phrase that the harms of drug war are caused by drug war. And that's, it's just that simple. If, if we could get these politic, I think most of these politicians are beginning to discern this, beginning to absorb the idea that they are off track. Uh, we we're seeing signs of that little glimmers of it here in the United States, even within Texas. Hell, they're trying to return Texas to, you know, where you can't have, uh, THCA or C or I don't know, they're, they're wanting to return to the days of yesteryear where it's, it's more probable people will get arrested, uh, for any concoction of, of, uh, you know, extracts of, of, um, from cannabis. And, and it, to me, it just seems so needless, so senseless because there's never been a death from the use of pure cannabis. It's, it's, um, it's just a, it's a, a fairytale, an exaggeration, just a, a, a windmill to tilt at it. It has no real, um, goal other than putting more people in cages. That's, that's how it seems here in Texas. Again, friends, we're speaking here with Mr. Dana Larson, based up there in, uh, Vancouver. And, uh, he's chewing a big, uh, jaw of, uh, coa leaf and it looks like a, a nice fat joint of probably some really good bud. Is that right, Dana?

DANA LARSEN: (23:46)
Yes, yes, I am. I'm doing some coco leaf, which I very much enjoy, and I'm smoking a, a nice joint here as well of some, uh, what used, we used to call it BC bud, I guess it's still BC bud, but back in the prohibition days, back in the prohibition days when BC bud was flowing across the border into America, uh, BC bud had a pretty good reputation. And, uh, this is some, uh, local, local cannabis that we would sell in my dispensary.

REVEREND DEAN: (24:09)
Yeah, that stuff was going for 600 an ounce here in Texas. Back then it was, uh, well, you know, approved, um,

DANA LARSEN: (24:17)
That's about the price of a pound. Now here in Canada, cannabis prices have crashed quite a bit post legalization. Uh, there's still, it's still, I mean, still that's a lot of money, but you can get pounds like on the illegal market, which still exists, although it's a lot smaller than it used to be. Pounds are six to $900 for a pound of really high quality cannabis. So, which is still a lot of money for a pound of produce use, right? But yeah, uh, a much better, a much better purchase for the CU customer and for the growers, it's a bit less money, but also they got a lot less risk involved as well. So there's that,

REVEREND DEAN: (24:48)
And they sell more pounds. So yeah, that's the, the bonus out of it all. Well, we're gonna have to wrap it up here soon, but I've really enjoyed this talk. I want to thank you for that. And I, I just wanna say that, uh, going back to my other topic a little bit, that Trump is acting like not a day trader. He's acting like a, a provider of info to the billionaires. I'm sure the billionaires are now gonna clean up out of this reversal on, on the stock market more than any. Well, like, I probably won't get back what I lost, but they will because they have the leverage and the money to do it. And, uh, it's just another example of, and I guess it's probably the same in every country, that the rich folks do control everything and they control the possibilities. But, uh, I, Marie Antoinette reminds me of something I'd like to not say out loud right now, but the fact, go ahead.

DANA LARSEN: (25:43)
I think Trump managed to convince a lot of people that he was on their side, that he was against the billionaires, and that he was against the people. And they say, well, he's already like Elon Musk, he's already so rich, he doesn't want your money. But you don't become a billionaire by not wanting money. You become a billionaire by, by desperately wanting every penny you can get. I'm not a Trump fan, and I think he's gonna cause a lot of damage to the world. I hope that the result of Trump will be a pushback in the other direction and that it might lead to good things in the sense that if Americans reject Trump and move towards a better world by moving in the other direction. But I don't know, I think you guys might have Trump in there for the rest of his life.

DANA LARSEN: (26:19)
The only good thing about Trump is that he's old enough that hopefully he'll die soon. You know, Hitler was a lot younger when he took power, and, uh, and Trump's a pretty old guy, right? So hopefully he will just die of natural causes in the next couple of years. If somebody assassinates him and turns him into a martyr, that could be quite bad, actually, I think in terms of what his, you know, what, what could come out of that. Um, but hopefully he dies with the cheeseburger and a Diet Coke in his hand, and then we can move on to turn this chapter on, right? But, uh, but uh, I think that Trump ran against the system and saying that he was gonna change everything. And, and, and I think as a politician, people want change. They want something different. They don't want the same old, the Democrats for trying to run on preserving the system rather than offering a bold vision of how they would change things, the kind of vision that Bernie Sanders was offering, right?

DANA LARSEN: (27:06)
But they went with very mainstream status quo. We're not gonna change anything. We're gonna run things similar, maybe a few things, but we're not gonna make any deep intrinsic changes. And I think Americans and a lot of people around the world want deep changes and powerful things to happen and to defeat Trump, I think you need to articulate a positive vision of what you want to do and not just be out there with Liz Cheney saying, we're gonna be, and a bunch of Republicans saying, we're gonna be middle of the road and do the exact same thing. You gotta be saying, we're gonna make positive changes, we're gonna do big changes to the government, but we're not gonna dismantle it. We're gonna make it work better for regular Americans. We're not gonna restructure it for billionaires. We're gonna restructure it for the kitchen table, not for the the Wall Street. But, uh, hopefully they'll do that. But I think you got a rough ride ahead for the next few years. And I don't see Trump as somebody who wants to relinquish power ever again. He came very close to being in prison, uh, during the time he was not in power. He's not gonna let that happen again. He's gonna want a third term and a fourth term. And I think that's pretty clear. And uh, Americans need to be organizing and working now to stop that from happening.

REVEREND DEAN: (28:11)
Alright, folks, there you have it. Mr. Dana Larson, once again, I want to thank you. We're gonna bring you back soon if you'll have us. And I wanna remind you, my friends, that because of prohibition, you don't know what's in that bag, and I urge you to please be careful and always remember euphoria is a blessing, not a crime.